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What area will be affected by Big three job cuts more? Detroit city or suburbs? |
Travel Info I'm from Chicago area, and very sad and pissed that this is happening to you guys. We have been bleeding for years, from the steel mills on down. We know what its like, believe me! Hang in there! I'm presuming most job loss will be in the suburbs....is that the case? Do you see a mass migration out of the Detroit area period if the big three swing the ax as heavy as the papers say? Is Detroit trying to diversify the area economy? How about a tech center, per the compuware building area? http://www.buildingsrus.co.uk/detroit/po... Travel Tips Despite the difficulties, the Detroit area has actually been growing (albeit slowly), so it doesn't appear that there has been a HUGE exodus. April 1 1990 census: 5,095,695 April 1 2000 census: 5,357,420 July 1 2005 estimate: 5,428,000 We'll see soon what the July 1 2006 estimate reveals, once the U.S. Census Bureau releases the figures. Others I live just outside Detroit. The city itself has been going downhill since the race riots of the '60's and is now officially a toilet. Downtown looks like a ghost town, and there are areas of town that you don't drive through unless you're in an armored personnel carrier with a .50 caliber machine gun mounted on it. Unfortunately, the job cuts are going to affect the suburbs more than the city itself because the vast majority of people who work for the Big 3 live in the suburbs. Also, the tech centers and "automation alley" businesses are almost entirely in Oakland and Macomb Counties, whereas Detroit is in Wayne County. Most of us are waiting for the November elections so we can toss Governor Granholm out on her worthless @$$. She's been campaigning that she garnered over $200 million in new investments for Michigan and has created 1,000 jobs. Too bad we've lost almost 100,000 jobs and over $20 billion in state revenues since she took office... Its gonna be in the suburbs. Most of the jobs that are being cut from the auto companies are hurting the families, most of which do NOT live in the city. Not to mention that a majority of the actual sites are no longer located in Detroit proper, but are now on the outskirts, in the suburbs and along the highways OUT of the city. Its not just the auto industry tho that's hurt by the cuts. The auto industry gets cuts, the unions get pissed, then the government starts scrambling to get the auto jobs back to shut the unions up again. All the while, us white collar- NON AUTO folks are left high and dry. No one's busting their butt to get me a new job after mine was outsourced to India. Plus our lovely Gov. Granholm has decided to tax the heck out of small businesses, causing a lot of them to fail, or just grossly underpay their employees. The whole job market here in Michigan is a joke. It seems like you need to be bilingual, with a college degree and 5-10 yrs experience, and willing to work 50+ hours for under $30K a year, with little to no benefits (since most of the jobs are CONTRACTED now). I know I don't fit in that mold, and I'm sure i'm not the minority. (sorry to rant.......) I'm an frustrated, desperate for a good job Detroiter. Man, Scott- a mass migration has been taking place out of Detroit AND the rest of the metro area probably for probably two decades or so now; which makes the continual urban sprawl around here even more incredible. As Nate may have said in my last reply, my response for the reason why is "cookie cutter"- but it is true that the whole region has had its economy largely tied to the Big Three automakers and as they continually lost market-share to foreign automakers (reasons ranging from price to quality issues and always an interesting debate as to WHY the Big Three are/have failed); I don't think he is nearly as old as I am or has had as much experience/understanding of the regional job market as many of the rest of us since he is still going to school (and seemingly to the best/most expensive university in the state). You would be amazed at how many "ex-Detroiters" are now living elsewhere because they had to leave the state to find work- just keep posing questions in the Detroit section and ask where people are from and/or if they have or know of people from the area that have been "transplanted" for career reasons. I've met ex-Detroiters through Answers from places ranging from Phoenix to New York City to Florida to Seattle who all had to leave because there were no jobs for them here; I've been unemployed myself for longer than I'd like to mention to you and I'm to the point myself where I seriously have to consider leaving the area to find work. I have a college degree, 3.72 gpa, @ 20 years work experience with a pretty diverse work background- service industry, factory, various office positions, etc.- and although I do not have a direct relation with the auto industry per se, I still compete with the thousands of white collar, blue collar, and no collar employees that have been laid off from the automakers and those industries that largely serve them (various supplier companies, engineering businesses, etc.); there are literally hundreds of applicants for each available position (just go to the state-sponsored job board on www.michworks.org and look at the number of jobs compared to the number of resumes on file)-not to mention that many positions are only part time and/or low paying (I've applied to over 150 positions ranging from general shop help to various office positions that match my experience in some respect including even a couple pizza chains for a driver position, which I also have experience doing many years ago during college, hoping to just work and work and work to earn enough money to afford my very modest home and pretty frugal lifestyle, but, I have had no luck). Anyway, there is no doubt that the latest/further/continuing/addi... rounds of job cuts will create a further exodus of people out of the city and the region in pursuit of employment- just furthering the trend of the last 2 decades. Interesting debate as to what area(s) will be more affected and how both Detroit and the suburbs will be affected by the latest job cuts. Are the cuts to more executive/white collar positions, factory/blue collar positions, or, a mixture of all jobs? Are the plants scheduled for cuts and closings in the city or the suburbs? Are the people scheduled to lose their jobs living in the suburbs and working in Detroit or vice versa, or, do they work and live in the same community? What are the ripple effects to the whole regional economy, property values, school systems, tax bases, etc., etc. resulting from the cuts? There are countless other questions to ask relating to the issue as well. I'm inclined to agree that most jobs being lost will probably be from suburbanites simply because I think there are more people living in the suburbs and more jobs out in suburbia; again, we'll have to see if certain plants are shut down in one suburb or if cuts are made more "across the board" at various factories in various communities to see how each community is individually effected. As for diversifying the job base, the suburbs have had a little bit more success doing so than Detroit itself (too many reasons why to list and explain why); but, in general, the entire region has been both slow to try to diversify and largely unable to do so. Even those losing their jobs that are able to find work here will most likely be faced with earning much lower wages, fewer benefits, etc. than previously- I can vouch from first-hand experience. anyway, in the larger sense, it doesn't really matter which plants are closing and/or laying off employees, or, where these plants are located. The whole metro-Detroit region is really one inter-related economy and, in that regard, I can argue Detroit may actually suffer just as much from the job cuts even if the cuts affect mostly suburban plants/residents- or vice versa. Anyway, feel free to message me if you want to continue the conversation further- I've got to go look for work. Great answers from Sarge and JoJo! http://www.michworks.org/ So i see its even affects towns South of Detroit is in Monroe here.Works at a seat plant in the area are plant has been down more then up this year.Will we ever recover?no and i hope that with all the job cuts crime will stay down but it wont today the big 3 the next day the fast food worker and so on down the line Michigan has become a real bad place to work for anyone. |
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