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Can my daughter return to the states if she marries over there? |
Travel Info Mydaughter is white and her fiance is indonesian. What are the laws on marriage over there? If she gets married in Indonesia, is there a law over there that says she cannot come back to the united states.? Thank you Is there a muslim law that will forbid it? Travel Tips Nope, she's still an American citizen. Her husband will have to go to the US embassy in Indo. and apply for a visa if he wants to join her in the US. Good luck. Others as long as she keeps her papers and passport up to date hi Ellen, is your daughter and the bf are in Indonesia already? :) i hope she's having an excellent time there i remember you from previous question :) yes, absolutely! she can return to US for sure. dont worry about that. there is no such law and NOT EVEN the Moslem law :) never heard such thing that Indonesian law and as well Moslem law forbid a married foreigner (who are married to Indonesian or Indonesian Moslem) to ever return to their country of origin many of my Indonesian friends got married to their Canadian, American, Australian, Japanese husbands, were married in Indonesia and now they are living in their husbands' countries which means, the husbands did not find any law that forbid them to return home to their countries :) and most of my friends are Moslems. Some of their husbands stay on their own religions (non-Moslems) so dont worry about it :) now on the question of what are the laws if your daughter will stay on her religion (non-Moslem) while the fiance is a Moslem, they might have to get married outside Indonesia e.g in Singapore as Indonesian law do not recognised mixed marriages (of differ religions) BUT that does not mean they can not get married in Indonesia. If they want a recognised marriage by the government, they have to have the marriage done outside Indonesia, then report it to the government back in Indonesia, the embassy (of your origin) in Jakarta. if they want to be married legaly in Indonesia, both have to have the same religion if they want to to have a civil-marriage, your daughter need to follow some procedures such as reporting it to the embassy (of her origin). gosh, there are so much to type regarding mix marriage either same religions or differ religions but bottom point is, no need to worry. i've been there, i've done that :) didnt have problem, nothing to worry about :) experience She will not lose her American passport and so can return to the US but under Indonesian law people who marry must be the same religion so if her fiance is Muslim she will have to convert for them to marry. He is not able to convert if he is Muslim as this is illegal. MARRIAGE IN INDONESIA Indonesian law has no provision for non-religious civil marriage. Thus, a religious marriage ceremony is a legal requirement in Indonesia. To conclude a religoius marriage ceremony, both prospective spouses must be of the same religion. Depending on the type of religious marriage ceremony used, there are different requirements to ensure that the marriage is legally valid. If your daughter's fiance(e) is Mulsim, the ceremony should be held at the local Kantor Urusan Agama (KUA) or the Office of Religious Affairs. These offices will issue a Marriage Book which is legal evidence of a valid marriage. A Muslim marriage ceremony does not need to be registered with the local Civil Registry Office. The following are required if you having Moslem ceremony (documentary requirements may vary from district to district, particularly outside Jakarta): Copy of Passport; Copy of Birth Certificate; A sworn affidavit witnessed by a Consular Officer at the U.S. Embassy or Consulate General in Surabaya or Bali stating that you are legally free to marry, your Indonesian fiance(e) must obtain a similar document from the government district office, or Kelurahan. The fee for this affidavit is US$30 (subject to change); Indonesian Police Certificate; Copy of Islamic convert certificate; (certificate of IQRAR) Copy of Divorce Decree (if applicable); Tax receipt or proof of tax settled (for foreigners who work in Indonesia ); Copy of KITAS (Temporary Residence Permit Card) 鈥?if applicable; Citizenship letter and Endorsement letter by Police (for those who live and resides in Indonesia ); and Documents written in foreign languages have to be translated into Indonesian by authorized translator. A Buddhist, Christian, or Hindu religoius wedding ceremony performed in Indonesia is not considered legally valid until recorded in the Civil Registry. If both you and your fianc茅(e) have a Christian, Buddhist or Hindu religious wedding ceremony, you must hold the religious ceremony first, then record the marriage with the Civil Registry Office. The Civil Registry will in turn issue a Marriage Certificate which is evidence of a legally valid wedding. There is normally a ten-day waiting period in order to register your marriage with the Civil Registry. In order to register your marriage with the Civil Registry, the following documents are normally required (documentary requirements may vary from district to district, particularly outside Jakarta ): Proof of birth; (birth certificate) Proof of citizenship (your passport); A sworn affidavit witnessed by a Consular Officer at the U.S. Embassy or Consulate General in Surabaya stating that you are legally free to marry, your Indonesian fiance(e) must obtain a similar document from the government district office, or Kelurahan. The fee for this affidavit is US$30 (subject to change); Proof of legal termination of any and all previous marriages; Certificate of Solemnization of Marriage from the church or temple; and Six identical 4x6 cm photographs of you together with your spouse. The above information I retrieved from http://jakarta.usembassy.gov/consular/ac... but now I am going to give you my personal experience. IF HER FIANCE IS MUSLIM Your future son-in-law will need to find a mosque who is willing to accept your daughter as a member and who are willing to convert her. There will need to be a meeting with either the Imam or the person in charge of Marriage affairs at the mosque. Your daughter will have to learn the appropriate things for conversion. She will need to learn IN ARABIC at least one prayer, phonetically it is pronounced Al-FA-TEE-KAH, and she will have to say in Arabic, "There is no other God but God and Mohammad is his Messenger". Once she is able to do at least this, she will be awarded a certificate of conversion. But she will be required to do this in front of several people in a mosque. Then they will have to go to the KUA as above. So things will take time as there are alot of papers to be gathered. The marriage book has a place to write in it whether there is a prenuptial agreement or not, and I suggest they think about that. The marriage book also provides a place for dowry, in Muslim marriage, it is considered normal and proper for the man to provide the wife with a dowry which is hers no matter what and that is written into the marriage book at the time of the signing of the book. The man also will sign the marriage book that he shall never hit or harm her physically or spiritually and that he must provide for her shelter and care and for any children they have. The marriage book says that if he does not provide these things for her, then she has the right to divorce him. (Just so you know). He must sign this book at the time of the marriage. What you need to remember about entry into the US is that the only government who can control your daughter's entrance into the US is the US GOVERNMENT. As long as your daughter holds her US passport she will always be able to enter the US. Now, here is something else she will want to think about. Indonesia offers to women only who marry Indonesian males, a chance for Indonesian citizenship. (Like myself, they offered it to me). If she were to decide to take Indonesian citizenship, Indonesia would ask her to give up her US passport. That is, they would ask her to return her current US passport to the US embassy and to obtain proof from the US Embassy that she did so, in order to obtain Indonesian citizenship. the reason for this is because Indonesia does NOT recognize dual citizenship. (Whereas the US does). I am not going to get into this any further, but if you will email me, I will explain how this is overcome. The important thing here is that having Indonesian citizenship could be very important for your daughter if she were ever to want to own land in Indonesia as non-citizens are not allowed to own land. So I would very much like to discuss this with you. If she is planning on going through with Indo citizenship, she has ONE YEAR following her marriage to do it OR IT BECOMES EXTREMELY DIFFICULT! IF SHE DOES IT WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR IT IS EXTREMELY EASY. So, Take it from an OLD PRO, EMAIL ME and we can talk about all this stuff. And go to the website I gave you. Best wishes, Rachael PS: There are alot of slippery slopes to getting married in Indo and your daughter may need some help while she is over there because she may be being told lots of things that are not necessarily true? Am I getting warm? Please have her email me and I will guide her. I have been married to Indonesian 17 years. Remember, I answered your last question? http://jakarta.usembassy.gov/consular/ac... |
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