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Travel Info Three Strong Oaths The true Jewish position on Zionism and the state called Israel is found in the Scriptures in the Talmud and in the oral traditions transmitted to us by our parents and teachers. At the outset of the Jews' exile to Babylonia, the Prophet Jeremiah, in chapter 29 of his book proclaimed G-d's message to all the exiled鈥erse seven reads, "Seek out the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you and pray for it to the Almighty, for through its welfare will you have welfare." This has been a cornerstone of Jewish "foreign policy" how to behave in the lands of the nations throughout our ensuing exiles till this very day. There Jeremiah adds in the name of G-d (verses 8 and 9), "Do not let your false prophets among you and your sorcerers seduce you, do not head your dreamers which you cause them to dream. For they speak falsely to you in My name. I did not send them." This too has applied to all the would-be misleaders of Jewry whether they presented themselves as prophets or as sorcerers or as dreamers of national aspirations. King Solomon in Song of Songs thrice adjured the "daughters of Jerusalem" not to arouse or bestir the love until it is ready." The Talmud explains That we have been foresworn, by three strong oaths, not to ascend to the Holy Land as a group using force, not to rebel against the governments of countries in which we live, and not by our sins, to prolong the coming of moshiach; as is written in Tractate Kesubos 111a . Throughout the seventy years of the Babylonian exile, throughout the 200 years of the Hellenic exile and throughout the 1917 since the destruction of G-d's Holy House, we have steadfastly maintained our loyalty to G-d and have not transgressed His oaths. And we have prayed for the welfare of the cities and the countries of our host nations that did not oppress us, and in their welfare we indeed always found ours. Whoever violates Jeremiah's principles or Solomon's oaths immediately imperils the welfare of Jews locally and elsewhere in the world. ------------------------------... Maimonides, Iggeres Teiman 鈥?Letter to Yemen [Maimonides wrote this Letter to the Jewish Community of Yemen almost 1,000 years ago] And as King Solomon knew with divine inspiration that the Jewish People would face the consequences of this and that suffering would come upon them, and warned the Jewish People not to do this (i.e. violate the Three Oaths), and in a metaphorical way made them swear not to commit these acts, as it is written in Song of Songs, 3,5: I made you swear Daughters of Jerusalem by the deer and gazelles of the field should you arouse or awaken love until it is so desired. Therefore, you, dear brethren, must accept the Oath and do not attempt to arouse the love until the proper time when the Alm-ghty shall remember us and you with his trait of mercy to gather his portion from Exile to behold his glory at his holy Temple and redeem us from the Valley of the shadow of Death where he has placed us, thereby removing the darkness from our eyes and the fog from our hearts. He will then fulfill in our days and in yours the verse from Isaiah 9:1 The nation wandering in darkness shall see a great Light, and a Light shall shine on those residing in the land of the shadow of death. At that time G-d shall darken the eyes of all those who rise up against us, and fulfill the verse from Isaiah 9:2 Verily darkness shall cover the land and fog shall cover nations, but the light of G-d shall shine upon you, and you shall display his honor. ------------------------------... The Maharal of Prague (Rabbi Betzalel Lowy who lived in the 17th century) explained that the prohibition of violating the Three Oaths applies even if the other nations force the Jewish People to do so. In addition, he wrote in his book Netzach Yisroel (Chapter 24) that these Oaths may not be modified so as to affect the decree of Exile, and he expanded on the description in the Midrashic text on Song of Songs 2:18. 鈥淓ven if the nations wanted to kill the Jews with terrible torture, the Jews are forbidden to change the applicability of the Oaths. This is relevant to every one of these oaths and must be understood.鈥?Therefore, not only is it forbidden to leave the Exile even with the permission of the nations, but even if they force the Jewish People to do so under pain of death, it is forbidden to violate these Oaths in the same way it is required to give up one鈥檚 life rather than accept another religion. Even during the forced conversions under the kingdom of Portugal in the late 15th century it was forbidden to violate the Oath. Rabbi Avraham Galanti, who other rabbis described as outstanding in his level of holiness, and who was a student of the great kabbalist Rabbi Moshe Cordovero in the 16th century, explained aspects of the Three Oaths in his book Zechus Avos [Merit of the Patriarchs] where he recounts how some Jews in Portugal wanted to revolt against the kingdom rather than submit to forced conversion. A rabbi quoted the verses from Song of Songs to the people who wanted to revolt, and pointed to the Talmudic tractate Ketuboth p. 111 which states that G-d made the Jewish People take three Oaths 鈥?one was that they should not rebel against G-d by rebelling against the nations. Thereafter the Jews submitted to death rather than forced conversion. Although the description in Ketuboth does not say that the Oaths involve directly rebelling against G-d, it is clear that the very violation of these Oaths is rebellion against G-d himself. Travel Tips if I am not mistaken we have now year 2007 and to refer constantly to prehistoric events is ... bit old fashion?? Jews (I think) are PART of Earth population and integral part of Humanity as a WHOLE and the whole business of constantly separating themselves and feeling different creates strong feeling of antisemitism. You have looked for a reason loooong time and search for fault in everyone else - this did not give you ANY result. May be time to have a really hard long and careful look at yourselves can finds solution? Change of tactics sometimes can make all the difference! Try Fraud for the whole nation of Jews! Others So basically you don't have a single original thought then? What a bore! Do you mean it is forbidden to kill Palestinians? Added: Lol, you call emailing me to tell me not to answer your questions "dialog"? And, yes, not many here, even the Jews, understand you "question", which is really not a question. And the plot thickens. This once again is pretty advanced Jewish knowledge, which doesn't fit in so well with your admitted ignorance of some basic Jewish principles. (By the way, this is taken verbatim from http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionis... ) I find it interesting that you quote Maimonides (the Rambam), as the Rambam did not even mention the "three oaths" in his book of Halaka (or Jewish law) "Mishne Torah". Furthermore, he himself attempted Aliyah. And the nail in the coffin I would say is that he does detail in "Mishne Torah" the rules of the land of Israel if it is conquered in stages and not all at once, a concept that does not check so well with the concept of messianic redemption. There's no need to dwell on this topic; obviously different sects of Judaism have different views on zionism. I think it is well known that there are anti-Zionist Jews; some even go so far as to attend Iran's holocaust denial conference. However the overwhelming majority of Jews and even observant Jews are Zionist. If you want a more detailed response http://hirhurim.blogspot.com/2005/11/kun... EDIT: I cannot believe that you actually agree with Satmar and blame reform Judaism for the holocaust. That is wrong and terrible. If you are so quick to point your finger at a fellow Jew, then how bout I blame YOU and all you anti-Zionists for convincing the Jews to stay in Europe; you and your ilk are more responsible than they will ever be. I hope you can at least realize your own hypocracy; you don't care about peace and loving your fellow Jew at all. So because someone in the 17th century who knew nothing of the Holocaust said something that perhaps was applicable at the time, we're supposed to blindly follow it now? The Sages were thinkers. I really don't think they would approve of us giving up our ability to think in order to follow them blindly when the need to change things was staring us in the face. Take your anti-zionism elsewhere. This is not a message board, it's a place for people with genuine questions. Yes, not all Jews think that what Isreal does is good for other Jews or the rest of the world. They don't like if you don't adree with them. They are WRONG!!!!!!!! Chaim Gershon ? Is that your new name Adamska? Get a life! |
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